58. GTD Level 3 seminars & pre-New Year Weekly Review

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Morten: Hi, and welcome to another episode of the Getting Things Done podcast from GTD Nordic. I am Morten Røvik, and I'm here as always with my good friend and colleague Lars Rothschild Henriksen. Good day, Lars.

Lars: Hello, friend and colleague Morten. Good to see you as always, and looking forward to recording another episode for our listeners and viewers out there. For those of you who have not listened before, the purpose of this podcast is to help you learn GTD or becoming even better GTDers. So we hope We hope that this episode supports you in that. And if you're new to GCD, we always recommend you go back and listen to the first episodes of the podcast. Episodes 1 through 6 cover the basics of GCD. This is episode number 58 of the podcast. And as always, I'll throw it back to you, Morten, to share with our listeners what the topic of the day is.

Morten: Well, today we have two topics. We decided to talk about the Level 3 because both Lars and me are in certification process of becoming certified Level 3 trainers.

Lars: We're not certified yet, as you can hear, we're not able to say it, but at the end of the certification.

Morten: Exactly. So hopefully at the end of the certification, we will be able to certifiably talk about it. So, but we will give it a shot. That is number one. But, and then we will have something we've dubbed pre-New Year review, which is going to be Lars coaching Lars.

Lars: That is the episode title today. I'm coaching myself.

Morten: Yeah, Lars coaches himself in the pre-New Year review. So just to dive into the, the first topic, the Level 3 certification that we are inside, we've just attended something that's called a T3, Trainer to Trainer workshop. Maybe we should just give the listeners a little, and the viewers, a little overview on what is a T3 and what do we do there and what do we do after. Would you try and take us through that a little?

Lars: Well, since you're actually the master trainer, then you're probably more equipped to speak to this. But let me speak to it from the participant perspective. Yeah. So we spent the days in the start of November online a lot with a lot of different and interesting people from across the world. I think 14 different time zones was the count. So we met online and the way this works is that we first go through the seminar and we, you know, participate as participants. So we walk through the material in that perspective, you know, experiencing what it's like to actually participate in the seminar. And I think for us, It was a bit different because we had both attended, I believe, back in 2018, was it, in Amsterdam?

Morten: That's right, 2018.

Lars: Yeah, so we had both participated in the physical version, and now obviously since this was online, this was the virtual version of the seminar. So that was the starting point, and that was with all the upcoming trainers to be certified, but also regular participants. So I think we were about, were we around 20 people participating from, you know, all across the world, from, I think, from was it Colombia to Australia, really a lot of different people, a lot of different time zones, a lot of different times of the day people participate. So we were a part of that. And then the subsequent 3 days, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, we spent, and actually a bit of Thursday as well, spent time walking through this material, learning how to deliver it, walking through the exercise, discussing them, sharing our experience with them, perspectives on this, and also had a lot of time with with David Allen and Catherine and Anna Maria and everyone, you know, in the GTD world that really have worked with this material for the last, yeah, 20, 30 years.

Morten: Yeah. For David, it's more like 50, but yes.

Lars: Yeah. Exactly.

Morten: Yeah. No, so I do agree with you. Good overview. So it's two main parts, as you know, when you do this as a master trainer, you would plan to do the delivery for the seminar itself. And then you will help the trainers-to-be to walk through the material, understand the material, ask the questions that you might have. What do you have cognitive dissonance on? And to do the exercises in-depth yourself, which is what I found very interesting for me, because it's another level. So the level 3 is called focus and direction. Why is that important, Lars, to have focus and direction?

Lars: Yeah, why do we need that?

Morten: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, well, some people— now let's just stop for a while because some people tell me when I talk to them that's about the importance of having focus and direction. And they say, well, I don't want my I don't want to know what my life is supposed to be about. I want to just live. I just want to be. And is that wrong?

Lars: Well, I think that's where at least I recognize myself and thinking through coaching clients and different people that I know of their journey, that can actually, that can work. I think a lot of people when they pick up GTD, we see that they learn the basics, they get things under control and are comfortable with that. And if that's what you get out of GTD, then great. That'll certainly help you a lot. And then I think at some point, for many people, there'll be a point where you start to reflect on where am I actually going? Because at least if I reflect on my career pre-GCD, it was really just, you know, following the direction set by my manager or the company or, you know, other important people in my life, let's put it that way. So, I was comfortable doing that. And that led me to some really cool places. What I came across at some point was that I was heading in a direction that I did not want to actually go to. So, I was heading towards some really cool roles in really big projects. And that was really what I was aiming for back then. But when I reflected on what their lives were like, and what I wanted my life to be like, it just did not make sense at all. It did not come together. So where I was heading was actually not the right path. And that is where the direction came into play for me. I don't know. What about you, Manu?

Morten: No, I just want to go back to that. My initial question there is that is it when I— this originated my first time. First time I heard this was many years ago. There's a French-Canadian living in Norway, who was attending one of my seminars. And he said, but Morten, I don't want to have a big project for my life. I don't want to know. My life should just happen. And what I told him is that, well, you don't want to plan your life, but that is also a plan. And that is his values, is my life should just happen. So if that is yours, just write that down and you're done. But for many other people, myself included, it's if I don't have, you know, the 5 steps of GTD gives you the control of the boat. So imagine you are throwing yourself, suddenly you understand you're in a boat, you're in an ocean, and you don't know how to handle the boat and you don't know where you're going. So the first thing you need to get is to get a grip on how the boat works. So you can steer somewhere. So that's the 5 steps of GTDS. Now when you have that under control, then it will be interesting maybe to understand where am I going really? Because if you don't take the helm and create a navigational map where you are going in this boat trip of yours that's life, you are going to end up somewhere. And what dictates where you end up is what kind of currents and winds and outer elements are pushing your boat in which direction. And in the human life, this currents and winds and waves and whatnot that, you know, push and pull on the boat are people you meet, things you read, things you hear your father or mother say, or some uncle say you must do this, and, you know, teacher says maybe this. And And when you're young, it's very difficult to find the path of life. I remember that when I was young, it's really not easy to think about what do I want to be and what's my life purpose and all I wanted when I heard that, I just said, give me a beer. So my personal view on this is that when you've manage to get your boat under control, you understand you can go somewhere, then the next question is going to be, "Where am I going?" And it can be perfectly fine to be comfortable with just drifting somewhere, but it's not necessary to create something that has to do with the focus and direction or horizons of focus. But if you want, it will be good for you. It's going to help you in finding what is my, what is my end goal, what's my values, what's my principles, what's my vision for my life, and trying to figure that out. Because it's going to give you direction if you want that. And if you want that, Lars will now tell you what is the horizons of focus and what you put there and why is it important to have coherence between your everyday next actions in your everyday life with your longer-term horizons.

Lars: Yeah. So, so I think we don't necessarily need to dive deep in those, but there is a former episode that you can find in the podcast feed where we walk through the different horizons of focus. I think back in the, the early episodes, we actually, actually walk through those. But the brief reminder is that Those of you out there already using GTD, you probably have your list of next actions, what you'll be doing right now. You have your calendar to help you navigate where you want to be or should be at any given time during the day or week. You have your projects up to, you know, maybe 3 to 12 months, everything that requires more than one action step to complete to finding that desired outcome where you want to be. And above that is Horizon 2, areas of focus and accountability. So what are you responsible for? What do you have your focus on that you want to maintain that at certain standards, so not something that we check off, but things that we want to maintain and be aware of. And also a great checklist to make sure that there's balance. Work-life balance for me comes a lot from this horizon. Horizon 3, meaning goals and objectives. So if we look a bit further into the future, 1 to 2 years, maybe a bit longer, where do we actually want to be? Where do we have specific sort of targets, goals, objectives, as the name states? Where do we actually want to head off to? Horizon 4 being vision. So what's the ideal scenario when everything works together? If you look even further into the future, what does that look like? And Horizon 5, purpose and principles. So what's the purpose for you? What's the purpose for the company? What are the principles and boundaries that you work within? And that's some of the things that we really dive into in the Level 3 seminar. It really is so interesting to work with. And as we spoke about pre-show, there are some actions, activities, thoughts, that come out of participating in the Level 3 seminar. I think we both had that experience that even though this was— much of this was not new to us, both from the GZD book but also from having participated before, that we kind of knew what we were going into. It's still, for me, both in the seminar and the preparation work that we did before attending sparked several actions relating to my higher horizons in making them even more clear for me, I think, is a good way to describe it.

Morten: Yeah, me too. So to revisit your higher horizons is important to make them, you know, because your life changes and your situation changes. Suddenly we have Corona, suddenly Corona go, and suddenly come back. Suddenly you have challenges at work maybe, and maybe your challenges at, you know, your personal, you know, personal life, and you have to keep it up to date. So that's very important to do. And just to end this little discussion about this with a— I wouldn't call it a high note, but just an information for those of you who are interested in this level— is that both Lars and I will be doing Level 3 practice seminars, and after we have done them, we are ready for delivery for anyone who wants to have that in the Nordic region. I know we have a lot of listeners outside of Norway and Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and Iceland. So I'm sorry, guys, you have very good partners around the world. Go to gettingthingsdone.com if you're interested in this, to, to learn more about this. And if you want to learn more about this, listening to this is Making It All Work, David's third book. Read that. That's by the way prerequisite reading for both Lars and me before we had this training, which I've just— and it's a very good book on the horizons, higher horizons. So yeah, and Lars will be doing— you will be doing yours physical somewhere for practice seminars.

Lars: So Corona permitting, still fingers crossed on that one, then I'm looking to deliver these as physical seminars over 2 days. Face. That's my, my current thinking.

Morten: And I'll do mine virtually over 3 days, 2 hours, 2 hours, 2 hours, I think. And we talk about January sometime where we will be doing this.

Lars: And yeah, I think that's the realistic timeline for me at least. I need to just do a bit of planning, making sure that all the people who have indicated their interest are still ready to go. And I still need to just do a bit of planning when it comes to the material. I like to do these over 2 days, just like the Level 2 seminars. We do them over 2 days in Denmark, just to give people some more time. And you can sleep on things. Some new things always show up, at least they do for me and the people participating in Denmark. There's always some cool stuff that happens overnight. So I like to take 2 days for these bigger bigger thinking seminars.

Morten: And I will even go further. I will do it over 3 days. So 2 nights to sleep on it. It's going to be virtual. And I'm thinking about opening up for the other Nordic countries, excluding Denmark. So Norway, Sweden, Finland, and maybe Iceland for those who have— and there is prerequisites here. So you have to have either attended a Level 2 seminar at some point in your life or have had coaching on the same level. So if you are a coaching client, you might be eligible for attending. And we will do this at not full price, reduced price. We are not— pricing is not ready yet. So if you're interested, check out gtdnordic.dk and gtdnordic.no and you will find more information after. Sign up for our newsletters. That's maybe a good idea to get a, get, get mention about this. So, no. Okay. Are you ready to coach yourself in the pre-New Year review?

Lars: I could maybe just give a brief introduction as to why it's framed like this. But no, when we record these episodes, I always brainstorm a bit in the morning what would be cool to talk about. We have, of course, a place where we capture all the ideas, listen to questions that come from from you guys, feedback, things like that. And one thing that came up for me was, you know, actually maybe take a step back. The things that often come up for me are things that I've most recently come across in the GTD world. And one thing was, was an interesting reflection on a recent seminar for a big client here in Denmark, where some of the things that they highlighted that they really appreciated about the seminar was the validation and sort of giving them the freedom just to write things down. So I thought that was kind of interesting that this was actually an outcome of the seminar was that, you know, it's cool. You can write things down. We're good. That is actually required for you to maintain your sanity in this really high-paced company that I was working with. So that was one thing. And the other one was something that I think probably that I needed. And that was a more thorough weekly review. And the reason that also came up was, well, first of all, it's because that that I find the need right now to do a bit more planning. And I also know that some people actually enjoy this exercise a bit before we approach the new year and that we actually get a chance to stop and plan a bit. It's sort of a different milestone for obviously for the people that use the same calendar as us. But it's sort of a milestone to plan towards maybe zoom out a bit more an opportunity to do a more deep weekly review and plan a bit more as to what can you expect to have done or what needs to maybe be postponed, put on hold someday, maybe whatever the shape that might take. So that's where this came from, this topic that Lars coaches himself. Hopefully you'll chime in, Morten.

Morten: I will. No, I mean, jokingly, Lars is going to coach himself, but But sometimes when we raise these topics, as Lars said, it is because either one of us has an interest in this topic right now. And yeah, so we had a little different take on this in the pre-show. We talked a little about, you know, what's my take on them? Because you do a yearly review and I do a half-year review. Is this correct?

Lars: Yeah, I think they've sort of over time merged into being the same kind of thing. So it's that that big year, that big review I do twice a year. Now, that's basically the case. I do take different approaches based on what I feel like. For example, do I bring my Higher Horizons with me and review them and reflect on them? Or do I just walk out into nature or to the beach or whatever and just bring blank pieces of paper and see what shows up? So for example, there are variations in that, but I like to do one in the summer break and one between Christmas and New Year's. That's sort of my regular approach for the bigger reviews.

Morten: So because when we did this to talk about this in the pre-show is that I normally, I don't do either of that, don't do big ones. But, and I'm more, there's no right and wrong here. Just want to point that out for people, even though I'm a master trainer. No, but it is no right and wrong because whatever makes you tick, whatever works for you is getting things done. It's not religion, people. It's a framework for thinking about, you know, potential commitments and life choices. Where do you want to go with your life and how can you get there? So, yeah, so, so there, my thinking about this is that every Every week I do a thorough weekly review. Sometimes when life throws me off the horse, it does sometimes, and I don't do a weekly review, I do a biweekly review. But best practice, always do it weekly. And when I do that, when I'm doing them, I'm reflecting on my higher horizons at the same time to make sure that when I decide something, should it go on my list now, or should it wait? And I always try and visit my higher horizons and ask myself, how does this align with my higher horizons? So I'm reflecting on them every week. And for my life purpose, that's kind of like tattooed in my brain, so that's not going to go away. So I feel that as long as my direction is correct, according to my horizons, I don't need that recalibration that apparently you need for find your direction. So how are you planning to do your pre-New Year review and why? Why do you need to do that?

Lars: I do know this. So like I said, from myself, but I do know this from a lot of other people as well, that when we do have this kind of milestone coming up, it's a nice opportunity to maybe reframe some of the things that you have. Have on your system. And in our world, and I think in many others as well, there seems to be some year-end activities and some more things going on these days approaching Christmas that they— yeah, the calendar seems to be more booked, and that means less time to tick things off your list. So for me, what can happen and has happened in this case is that when I look at my list right now, they're too long. That's simply the case. Then I look at my projects list and that probably needs to have a few of them taken off. And when I look at my list of next actions, the same is the case. And I need to sort of replan some of these things, reprioritize, probably put some things on hold. And it's nice to have sort of this natural boundary for thinking. So during the year, I will look typically 3 to 4 years, not 3 to 4 years, 3 to 4 weeks into the future when I look at my calendar. There is sometimes 2 weeks, sometimes 6 weeks, maybe even longer in the bigger reviews that I do. But now it seems that there's sort of a natural boundary for how far ahead you can think and try to figure out, so what can I actually expect to get done in this timeframe? What do I want to have available on the menu of options when I sit down to do some work as we approach Christmas? So I think the key thing for me and maybe for some of you listening out there would be, first of all, to do a really thorough mind sweep right now to really think things through and see what shows up or what is on your list. For example, if you have, you know, your list of areas of focus, maybe bring those in and reflect and brainstorm based on those. Is there anything you need to do, might want to think about? Etc.

Morten: The System Guide has great trigger lists as well. Absolutely. If you don't have them, you can buy them. The System Guide.

Lars: You can buy them. And for those of you who have attended a Level 1 seminar as part of your reinforced learning program with Mindmarker, you have them available in your resources as well. So you can, you can find them in there. So that's one thing I'll certainly be doing, just giving myself a bit more time. It's a step that I rarely use a lot of time on because the capture habit is just so natural during the week for me that that stuff rarely shows up. I don't know if it's the same for you as well, Martin.

Morten: Yeah, I don't capture all the time, so it doesn't— there's no surprises.

Lars: No.

Morten: But let me ask you a question so that when just for the listeners to understand this, that if you imagine you find a project on your list when doing a, you know, pre-New Year review, where you find that I have too much on my plate active, active projects now. How do you handle that? What do you do with the active projects? Do you place them somewhere else?

Lars: Or— Yeah, exactly. So, so in my, in my list manager, I have different places where these things can go. So I have the traditional someday/maybe list where things can go. I have variations on that for different, different topics, things that I only want to review on a more or less frequent basis. Or maybe someday weekly. Sorry, someday maybe.

Morten: Weekly review.

Lars: Someday weekly, maybe capture, clarify, reflect. No, but, but, but, you know, a less frequent review. And also the person that, or the mind that I have is really, works really well with the tickler file. So having somewhere where I can, you know, set a reminder for myself, remind me when we get to March 1st that I want to maybe pick this up again. Then the question is, if this is an active project, where I already have done a lot of thinking and maybe started doing some work. I already generated some support material for this. If that's already the case in my system, I'll, I'll take that whole project with the support material and park that on either the someday maybe list or my on hold list. So the, the parking lot that is not, not maybe, it's someday, ideally as soon as possible. So that's sort of the, as soon as I have more room in the projects list, I can then reactivate those. So they'll go there and that's my expectation for this week's review to spend a bit more time on that and then make sure that the active projects are the ones that I want to focus on for the next 2 months.

Morten: I'm curious to hear what you would say to this following question, because I think a lot of people will say, well, how do I understand that I have the right amount of projects on my active project list? How would you answer to that, Bill?

Lars: How would I say? Great question. You should ask Morten. He's the master trainer. No, it really is. It's, it's, it's curious that I actually don't get that question a lot. And I was actually expecting to get that a lot because I would, especially maybe that's just reflection on who I am, but I would love to know. So David says you have to have 37 active projects. That'd be great for me. Okay. So I'll have 37 slots that I could fill with these kinds of things. But with a broad definition of the projects, there's just no right number. So it really is a gut feeling for me as to how much, you know, when I look at the projects, I have a pretty clear picture of what needs to happen for each of these. How much do I need to then put, you know, how much room do I actually have in my calendar and taking all these things into consideration. So it would be really cool if there was a way to actually you know, have this automated in some kind of way. I actually just spoke to— that does not happen. No, exactly. I just spoke to a guy that they'll try to support you in this. So there's a Danish software company working on some cool things. But no, there were, you know, as soon as we get to that stage, I think the robots will anyway have taken over your work because if they're that smart that they can plan that much, taking all the unplanned work into consideration, I think I'll be ideally, hopefully lying on a beach somewhere and just enjoying it, letting the robot handle all this because if they're that smart, then they probably know how to do your work as well. Would you have a more kind way.

Morten: To answer that question? I do. I do. No, to, you know, that if you look at the methodology is David Allen says that you need to have your attention on what has your attention, which is, you know, twofold thing is that what has your attention, you have to write it down, but you also have to have your attention on how does the lists make me feel? So David would talk about, does your project list attract you, or does it not? Do you feel overwhelmed by looking at it? If you feel a little overwhelmed on everything that's on your projects list, then maybe it's time to renegotiate that commitment with yourself and your colleagues and put it on a projects-on-hold list, or maybe at the go back to the, or put it on the someday maybe, because the productive experience is a very exact science in the moment. So one week I might find myself having 10 active projects and I feel on top of the world, that the week after 10 could be too much for me because there's too much going on under the, under the radar. Maybe something happened at home. Maybe I'm upset for something. Maybe I feel, you know, we have a family member that's not well. That worries me. Then 10 is too much. But to feel, start using your emotions as indicators if you are productive or not is very helpful. So if you feel stressed, why are you stressed? If you feel overwhelmed, ask yourself, why do I feel overwhelmed? Well, I have too much to do. Well, then decrease what you have to do so that you feel comfortable. Maybe you have not captured the worrying point in your life yet. Maybe you should just capture that, you know, your worry and, and ask yourself, can I do something about this? And then clarify and organize it. Maybe you will feel better. But to have your attention on what has your attention, making sure that if you feel overwhelmed, when you look at your projects, that is what I will tell. Do you have too much? Downsize.

Lars: No, that's a good point. That's a good point. And it's, you know, just to give.

Morten: People a— No machine can do that. Sorry.

Lars: No, exactly. So coming back to the robot. No, and just to give, you know, we normally have a lot of projects going on. At least most people do. The people that I had in the recent Level 2 seminar in Denmark were saying maybe 50, 70 projects going on in their lives. So really a lot of big and small things going on. And just a reflection on actually coming back from Level 3. So one of the things that I wanted to do as part of making my projects more attractive to me is also to reflect on the titling, the naming of the projects, because the projects are, they are well defined in my world. They are, you know, according to the GTD specs for a project, but they don't all really inspire me. Let's put it that way. They don't all really describe a well-defined scenario that I want to be at. So some of the things that we talk about in the Level 3 seminar are these affirmations where you can describe, you know, how you would like the world to be, and projects can be a version of that. And based on that learning/reflection from the Level 3 Train the Trainer workshop that we did, it's actually on my list to say I have a next action to run through my projects list and see if I could tweak the titles. So that's perhaps also part of this year or pre-New Year's weekly review to run through and make sure that these are actually the way I want to see them on my list.

Morten: Yeah, I do think that is a good idea. I do that myself on a regular basis, especially if I find myself looking at a project and I'm not attracted to it. And that might be, it's something I don't know how to do, or there's some kind of inner emotional resistance to that. And then I will ask myself again, what has my attention here? Why am I not attracted to this project? Why is it? And often it's because I don't know how to handle this. I don't know if you ever had that, but I have this every now and then. Things show up on my radar. You have to do this and then you have to do that. And then I ask myself, okay, How do we do that? We are in the process of getting better at inbound marketing. We are, you know, Lars, we have had many discussions around this topic because we want to make sure that people understand what we are doing. What are your pain points and how can we market to you so that you understand what getting things done is? And I always come back to the thinking that we are trying to to help people with a problem they don't know they have. Or if they know they have it, they don't know that there is a solution to it. And that's our biggest challenge. So one of the things that I've found important for my project is then to go back to the project definition. So what is my desired outcome here? And I've found that tweaking them helps. And I also give myself permission to put in a smiley an emoji, for instance, if I'm not attracted to it, or an exclamation mark, or, or, or some what I call flower words. Instead of seminar done, it's seminar successfully done with clapping or something. I don't know what you do to, you know, to make sure that you are appropriately engaged with whatever has your attention or what you need to do, but I do that. Some people think when I show them this, says this is not for me at all, but for me, who's very visually driven, it small emojis and the little exclamation marks and some what I call flower words makes it more attractive to me. And that makes me tick. So there you have it.

Lars: And also, if you have a list manager that supports it, you know, you can maybe add some color. Yeah, you can. This sounds fluffy, but it really makes a big difference for some people that need to have more visually appealing lists. So I have on my list, I don't think I'm particularly in that target group, but it's nice to have my For example, I have a project group which is a list of date-specific events happening. So speeches, seminars, things like that. They have their different colors based on whether they are physical or virtual, for example, what type of event this is. So that's part of what I've built into my system is that, okay, that's an orange one, that's a virtual seminar, and that's a dark berry, I think it's called, then that's a physical seminar, whatever it is. It's nice. It just makes the list more attractive. Attractive, more easy to get an overview.

Morten: Whatever makes you tick. And I just want to mention here, because it is easy to then end up in productivity pornography, and that is you're fiddling with your system more than doing the stuff. So make sure that you're not procrastinating your real job by creating color codes and putting emojis inside, but do it because you really need, you think that will help you more attracted to this. Cool. What format? Where would I see you do your pre-New Year review? Would it be in the office? Would you be alone with your spouse?

Lars: Yeah. So this will really be just in quotations, just an extension of a normal weekly review. So I'll maybe set aside a bit more time. I just had a coaching client reschedule, so I suddenly have a full day of space in my calendar now. So I know I have I can find some more time to walk through this. So it's not where I would do my half-year reviews, maybe offsite by myself somewhere, ideally inspiring and nice. In this case, this will just be an extended version of a normal weekly review.

Morten: Okay. So you just spend more time on it. That's it.

Lars: Yeah.

Morten: Will you do it in the office or will you go outside?

Lars: I think a bit more at the office. Yeah. I know some people really like to do it and, you know, go to a cafe and do it. And I would be so distracted if I was sitting in the cabin. I would have to listen to all the things that people were saying and, you know, that— no, no, I'm comfortable here. I have my cockpit set up. I have nice and quiet surroundings. I'm ready to go when I sit here.

Morten: Okay. Yeah. No, because I'm sometimes attracted to when I do my reviews to go somewhere and sit, especially when I'm traveling. That's, you know, if I don't have a cockpit, I'll go— any cockpit will do. And just my noise-canceling earbuds and some soft music and good coffee and some cinnamon buns and I'm done.

Lars: Yeah, no, I've tried it. I've tried it multiple times. I do like the idea. I do like the, you know, you can treat yourself at the end or at the beginning to trigger this. So you can make a small event out of it. It's nice. I like the idea. In practice, that's just not for me.

Morten: No, no. Okay. I have just this romantic idea that Lars is on the beach at the summer house where he sits in his shorts and with just a pad of paper and looks, gazes out in the sea and, yeah. Okay.

Lars: Freezing as I live in Denmark, so.

Morten: The beaches— I was thinking about more like midsummer review.

Lars: Yeah, that is hopefully the case in the summer.

Morten: Yeah. Okay. So I feel maybe we have covered this topic good, the pre-new year.

Lars: Yeah, I think the key thing was just to, you know, to reflect a bit more on the weekly review and, you know, get that really good mind sweep in there, reflect on the list that you have, taking the perspective into case that, you know, the new year is approaching, maybe that puts a slightly different spin on some of the things you have on your list and what happens in your calendar. And hopefully that'll help people to do a better weekly review, get more prepared for the upcoming days and weeks. And let us know if that works for you.

Morten: So, Lars, are you happy with your coach? Lars?

Lars: Yes. Yeah. I will send a very nice evaluation and I'll forward that on to my master coach and see what she says about my evaluation of my coach.

Morten: That's good. Okay. Good. I think we're at the end, and thank you everybody for listening. And Lars, he will take us out.

Lars: Yes, as always, just a quick reminder. Morten mentioned it as we were walking through the, the Level 3 options. If you're outside the Nordics, gettingthingsdone.com is the place to go to find your local partner. For those of you in the Nordics, gtdnordic.com, that's where you can go to find the local country websites. gtdnordic.no for Norway,.dk for Denmark, etc. And on each of those sites you will find all the offerings that we have, different news articles, perspectives on GTD, all of that, that good stuff. So head on over to GTD Nordic and find your way to your local country there. And just a reminder, we have started actually for a while now, been posting these recordings on YouTube as well, and we're seeing more and more feedback on that channel as well. So for those of you who would like to watch instead, that's really cool. Thanks for the feedback on those channels. So head on over to our YouTube channels, you can find the episodes there as well. And lastly, as always, we really hope that you find these episodes valuable. And if you do, we really appreciate if you maybe share an episode with a colleague or rate us in your podcast player. That really helps the discoverability. So thanks to those of you who always do that. Really appreciate it.

Morten: Yeah, we do. And until next time, people, stay safe and stay productive.

Lars: Bye-bye.

Morten: Bye.

Lars: Bye, everyone.